WEBVTT 00:00.580 --> 00:02.580 Hey , this is chaplain Tony Reddick 00:02.580 --> 00:04.580 here . Just want to remind you that 00:04.580 --> 00:06.358 this podcast does not imply any 00:06.358 --> 00:08.024 endorsement of any commercial 00:08.024 --> 00:10.358 organization , product or belief system . 00:10.790 --> 00:12.846 Hey , welcome back to part two , the 00:12.846 --> 00:15.330 balance podcast I hope you enjoy can 00:15.330 --> 00:17.441 take some , don't take shortcuts with 00:17.441 --> 00:19.441 communication . So communication is 00:19.441 --> 00:21.770 really important . Um , and 00:22.820 --> 00:26.610 um , I mean that 00:26.620 --> 00:28.842 that's , you know , I think you covered 00:28.842 --> 00:31.064 a lot of it . I'll get back to this one 00:31.064 --> 00:33.009 thing too . And I really think the 00:33.009 --> 00:34.676 companies that have an easier 00:34.676 --> 00:36.842 transition and certainly even military 00:36.842 --> 00:38.953 cultures , right ? Because you have a 00:38.953 --> 00:41.009 culture in the military , you have a 00:41.009 --> 00:42.953 culture at a company that's larger 00:42.953 --> 00:45.176 software as 175 folks still good , good 00:45.176 --> 00:46.898 size . But some of your larger 00:46.898 --> 00:48.564 companies that are , that are 00:48.564 --> 00:50.453 decentralized one , let's say the 00:50.453 --> 00:52.620 headquarters is located , I don't know 00:52.620 --> 00:54.510 in texas , but there's branches 00:54.510 --> 00:56.566 everywhere , each of those locations 00:56.566 --> 00:58.788 take on a little bit of autonomy and if 00:58.788 --> 01:00.510 you will and their cultural um 01:00.510 --> 01:02.732 understandings . But I still think what 01:02.732 --> 01:04.899 we talked about the beginning is super 01:04.899 --> 01:07.066 important . If you're , you have clear 01:07.066 --> 01:09.232 expectations from the beginning , both 01:09.232 --> 01:11.177 ways , you set good boundaries and 01:11.177 --> 01:13.343 you're also holding people accountable 01:13.343 --> 01:15.566 both ways that then allows you to build 01:15.566 --> 01:17.788 trust over time and that trust leads to 01:18.030 --> 01:20.141 building in processes for check ups , 01:20.150 --> 01:22.317 right , checking on people and again , 01:22.317 --> 01:24.372 it's a little different remote . You 01:24.372 --> 01:26.372 have to be more intentional because 01:26.372 --> 01:28.428 like you , you mentioned , you don't 01:28.428 --> 01:30.650 see each other , you can't get the body 01:30.650 --> 01:30.140 language , you can't , you even mention 01:30.140 --> 01:32.029 about people putting weight on or 01:32.029 --> 01:33.918 weight off . I mean those are key 01:33.918 --> 01:36.084 indicators that there could be , there 01:36.084 --> 01:38.362 could be a challenge or a problem . So , 01:38.362 --> 01:40.473 um , that isn't , that is a big , big 01:40.473 --> 01:42.696 problem . I think that we'll see in the 01:42.696 --> 01:44.862 remote world . And then here's the one 01:44.862 --> 01:44.590 thing you mentioned that I want to 01:44.590 --> 01:46.812 touch on is just blurring because folks 01:46.812 --> 01:49.100 ask me this here . A lot commanders , 01:49.100 --> 01:51.267 leaders that are overseeing people are 01:51.267 --> 01:54.120 like , hey , I don't , I don't know how 01:54.120 --> 01:55.953 to do this . I don't know how to 01:55.953 --> 01:58.009 counsel them or be their therapist . 01:58.009 --> 02:00.231 And so this is a challenge . You know , 02:00.231 --> 02:02.231 I don't have the answer to that . I 02:02.231 --> 02:04.342 tell our leaders here , try to direct 02:04.342 --> 02:05.898 them to , you know , do the 02:05.898 --> 02:08.009 psychological health , the chaplain . 02:08.009 --> 02:09.953 We have what's called military one 02:09.953 --> 02:12.009 source , which is a free resources . 02:12.009 --> 02:14.176 You can get some counseling . So maybe 02:14.176 --> 02:16.398 like the ap programs need to improve or 02:16.398 --> 02:18.342 take a different form . But I just 02:18.342 --> 02:20.398 think there's a danger in that . But 02:20.398 --> 02:22.509 it's real , it's real because you see 02:22.509 --> 02:24.787 the issue and you're like , oh my gosh , 02:24.787 --> 02:26.842 no one else is interacting with this 02:26.842 --> 02:29.009 person . I can tell . But I am . And I 02:29.009 --> 02:31.231 pick up these cues so seems to be a lot 02:31.231 --> 02:33.635 more weight on more responsibility that 02:33.645 --> 02:35.756 a leader can take on at times and you 02:35.756 --> 02:37.923 don't have to , I mean that's a really 02:37.923 --> 02:39.923 good point Tony . You don't have to 02:40.405 --> 02:43.145 take on all of those roles yourself , 02:43.155 --> 02:46.025 but being informed about what different 02:46.025 --> 02:48.081 resources are available in directing 02:48.081 --> 02:50.455 employees . So if 02:51.910 --> 02:54.132 there's anyone out there listening that 02:54.132 --> 02:55.910 doesn't have any ap an employee 02:55.910 --> 02:57.966 assistance program , you guys should 02:57.966 --> 03:00.132 definitely be looking into it . I mean 03:00.132 --> 03:02.299 we certainly have one and I think that 03:02.299 --> 03:04.354 uh I have seen in my experience over 03:04.354 --> 03:06.299 the past 2.5 years people are more 03:06.299 --> 03:08.354 willing to ask for help I think than 03:08.354 --> 03:11.870 they were pre pandemic . I think 03:11.870 --> 03:15.630 that with all that we've gone through 03:15.630 --> 03:18.660 collectively we um 03:19.700 --> 03:22.120 have become more accustomed to asking 03:22.120 --> 03:24.231 for help and maybe being a little bit 03:24.231 --> 03:27.450 more vulnerable . Um And you know so so 03:27.450 --> 03:29.660 that's that's good . We all of the 03:29.660 --> 03:32.180 information for our E . A . P . Program , 03:32.190 --> 03:34.246 it's totally confidential . You know 03:34.246 --> 03:36.468 that the you're you're dealing directly 03:36.468 --> 03:39.620 with a cow but we are able to get a 03:39.630 --> 03:41.686 high level report of how many people 03:41.686 --> 03:43.741 took advantage of the resources . So 03:43.741 --> 03:45.741 we've seen that going up and that's 03:45.741 --> 03:47.908 something good . You know I think that 03:47.908 --> 03:47.660 that's a really beneficial trend that 03:47.660 --> 03:50.660 we've seen . And again it speaks to the 03:50.670 --> 03:52.559 culture . Their software . I mean 03:52.559 --> 03:54.726 having worked there , I know what it's 03:54.726 --> 03:57.330 like as I said , I me coming over here 03:57.330 --> 03:59.930 to the military , I resigned from 03:59.930 --> 04:02.320 software to take this job . Um But I 04:02.320 --> 04:04.431 told you this before even we got into 04:04.431 --> 04:06.620 the podcast today that if there's 22 04:06.620 --> 04:08.953 companies that I would want to work for . 04:08.953 --> 04:11.009 I've worked for both of them back to 04:11.009 --> 04:12.676 back . I mean they're they're 04:12.676 --> 04:15.009 tremendous , but it's about the culture , 04:15.009 --> 04:17.064 it really is and that gets set by by 04:17.064 --> 04:19.009 good leaders who exhibit all those 04:19.009 --> 04:21.176 things that that you kind of been able 04:21.176 --> 04:23.231 to discuss here amongst the audience 04:23.231 --> 04:25.231 today and I hope people were taking 04:25.231 --> 04:27.453 something from this today . Yeah , it's 04:27.453 --> 04:29.342 just about seeing them as a whole 04:29.342 --> 04:31.509 person and them not just being a means 04:31.509 --> 04:33.980 to get a job or a task done , you know , 04:33.990 --> 04:36.940 um being invested in , 04:37.710 --> 04:40.490 you know what they , what they want to 04:40.490 --> 04:43.240 achieve , providing the space for them 04:43.240 --> 04:47.230 to um talk with you about it , 04:47.240 --> 04:49.351 brainstorm ideas , how to get there . 04:49.351 --> 04:52.830 Um geez , there's so much 04:52.840 --> 04:56.440 the the the ability to try something 04:56.440 --> 04:59.400 new to learn from your mistakes . I 04:59.400 --> 05:01.770 don't know , there's so much leadership 05:01.770 --> 05:03.992 there , I mean , you know , if you were 05:03.992 --> 05:06.159 to google it , there's at least like , 05:06.159 --> 05:06.110 I don't know a million books written 05:06.110 --> 05:08.221 about it and so it's hard to try to , 05:08.221 --> 05:10.870 you know , pare it down to a couple of , 05:10.880 --> 05:14.370 a couple of key things . Um my biggest 05:14.370 --> 05:16.660 advice for any leader , whether they're 05:16.670 --> 05:19.990 they're new to a leadership position or 05:20.000 --> 05:23.060 you know , a veteran is really to make 05:23.060 --> 05:25.810 sure that um you're taking care of 05:25.810 --> 05:28.800 yourself um and checking yourself and 05:28.800 --> 05:31.520 your emotions and where you're at with 05:31.520 --> 05:34.140 things , um you can't fill anyone 05:34.140 --> 05:38.090 else's cup , if yours is empty and um 05:39.190 --> 05:41.400 you know , energy is transferable , so 05:41.400 --> 05:43.600 if you're feeling stressed or you're 05:43.600 --> 05:45.489 feeling anxious or you're feeling 05:45.489 --> 05:47.770 worried , your team is going to pick up 05:47.770 --> 05:49.940 on that , so you need to take a step 05:49.950 --> 05:53.540 back , get yourself situated and then , 05:53.550 --> 05:55.800 you know , you know that you know you 05:55.800 --> 05:58.200 need you need to hit the reset button 05:58.210 --> 06:01.430 and then go out and try it again . Um I 06:01.430 --> 06:03.319 think that's that's that's really 06:03.319 --> 06:05.430 important to , I'm glad you said that 06:05.430 --> 06:07.652 one thing that I've been thinking about 06:07.652 --> 06:09.874 and actually in my own personal journey 06:09.874 --> 06:12.750 is the concept of struggling because 06:12.750 --> 06:14.910 leaders always want to , they want to 06:14.910 --> 06:18.840 help their people . Um and it's if you 06:18.840 --> 06:21.007 take care of yourself or you're you're 06:21.007 --> 06:23.840 being selfish , but it's I've learned 06:23.840 --> 06:25.951 and I'm learning that that is not the 06:25.951 --> 06:27.880 case whatsoever . In fact , as I 06:27.880 --> 06:30.102 mentioned the beginning the podcast and 06:30.102 --> 06:32.324 the themes throughout this thing is all 06:32.324 --> 06:34.380 these tools and resources , all this 06:34.380 --> 06:36.436 great stuff you're bringing today to 06:36.436 --> 06:36.140 put in our tool kit so we can build 06:36.140 --> 06:38.560 this life plan if you will projection 06:38.560 --> 06:41.280 of life and the first chapter of the 06:41.280 --> 06:43.960 book that I I use that I like a lot . 06:43.970 --> 06:46.505 It mentions that this concept of 06:46.505 --> 06:48.795 acknowledging the drift that in our own 06:48.795 --> 06:51.325 lives we just kind of drift . But the 06:51.325 --> 06:53.381 more that we focus on taking care of 06:53.381 --> 06:55.325 ourselves , we are going to be way 06:55.325 --> 06:57.214 better to take care of others and 06:57.214 --> 06:59.381 here's here's the main reason why they 06:59.381 --> 07:01.603 say this because you're more self aware 07:01.603 --> 07:03.603 of your own failings and issues and 07:03.603 --> 07:05.769 when other people don't think that you 07:05.769 --> 07:08.900 in leadership positions sometimes have 07:08.900 --> 07:11.122 the same problems they do , but we do , 07:11.122 --> 07:14.120 right ? And so it's recognizing that so 07:14.120 --> 07:16.398 when your people come and they're like , 07:16.398 --> 07:18.509 I'm having a hard time with my , my , 07:18.509 --> 07:20.509 my spouse right now , or my my kids 07:20.509 --> 07:22.620 aren't this and I'm struggling here . 07:22.620 --> 07:24.731 It's like , oh yeah , I've been there 07:24.731 --> 07:27.009 too , and I'm going through it as well , 07:27.009 --> 07:29.330 and it just helps us all together work 07:29.640 --> 07:32.990 toward that more positive future 07:33.000 --> 07:35.000 because we're all going through the 07:35.000 --> 07:37.222 same things . But if we don't take time 07:37.222 --> 07:39.222 to step back and say , here's how I 07:39.222 --> 07:41.500 addressed it , I started to eat better . 07:41.500 --> 07:40.960 I work , I'm working out more , I'm 07:40.960 --> 07:43.016 meditating more in the morning , I'm 07:43.016 --> 07:45.182 praying more , whatever . Right ? What 07:45.182 --> 07:47.404 are the , how can I help as a leader if 07:47.404 --> 07:49.349 you can't be , if you can't humble 07:49.349 --> 07:49.230 yourself to say , I had to reach out 07:49.230 --> 07:51.341 for help , but I'm telling you to get 07:51.341 --> 07:53.563 help . You're a hypocrite if you're not 07:53.563 --> 07:55.730 practicing that . So I'm glad you came 07:55.730 --> 07:58.050 up just the other week . Um there there 07:58.050 --> 08:01.040 was a situation that I was dealing with 08:01.040 --> 08:03.096 and , you know , I'm like , you know 08:03.096 --> 08:05.207 what ? I'm taking a mental health day 08:05.207 --> 08:08.420 and I told a member of my team that , 08:08.420 --> 08:10.642 and you know , again , you have to be , 08:10.642 --> 08:12.642 you don't want to get into too many 08:12.642 --> 08:14.364 details , but I thought it was 08:14.364 --> 08:16.364 important to say because I'm always 08:16.364 --> 08:18.253 preaching that they take a mental 08:18.253 --> 08:20.253 health day and they came back to me 08:20.253 --> 08:22.710 three days later and said you know I 08:22.710 --> 08:25.110 appreciated hearing that from you 08:25.120 --> 08:28.460 because I need to take those days too 08:28.470 --> 08:30.590 and you know you you set set a good 08:30.590 --> 08:33.510 example there and so I'm not gonna feel 08:33.510 --> 08:36.510 bad or guilty next time I need one of 08:36.510 --> 08:38.732 those days . That's why we have we have 08:38.732 --> 08:40.954 you know we have P . T . O . You got to 08:40.954 --> 08:42.899 take it . Um Another thing that we 08:42.899 --> 08:45.160 talked about when we're thinking about 08:45.160 --> 08:48.440 work life balance and and being a good 08:48.440 --> 08:51.390 role model . Um you know if we are 08:51.390 --> 08:53.570 working from home now right we we have 08:53.570 --> 08:56.750 our phones we can get our email we you 08:56.750 --> 08:58.917 know slack notifications on my phone . 08:58.917 --> 09:02.750 So if I am taking a day off I take time 09:02.750 --> 09:04.861 to adjust those notifications so that 09:04.861 --> 09:07.400 I'm not seeing that because um 09:10.160 --> 09:14.080 everything that we do is under scrutiny 09:14.080 --> 09:16.191 and being watched and listened to and 09:16.191 --> 09:18.191 you might not think that but it but 09:18.191 --> 09:20.410 it's the case it really is . So if you 09:20.410 --> 09:22.920 are taking the day off but then you're 09:22.920 --> 09:24.698 responding to emails and you're 09:24.698 --> 09:26.920 responding to slack messages and you're 09:26.920 --> 09:29.087 still plugged in and you're not really 09:29.087 --> 09:31.309 stepping away . What kind of message is 09:31.309 --> 09:33.420 that sending to your team ? There's a 09:33.420 --> 09:35.531 couple of different things that could 09:35.531 --> 09:35.420 be that they're picking up from that 09:35.430 --> 09:37.900 number one , they don't trust me to do 09:37.900 --> 09:40.960 my job . My boss can't step away . So 09:40.960 --> 09:43.182 they don't they don't trust that I know 09:43.182 --> 09:45.404 what I'm doing number two , it could be 09:45.404 --> 09:47.627 dissuading them from wanting to move up 09:47.627 --> 09:49.793 to a leadership position because oh my 09:49.793 --> 09:49.400 gosh , they never get a break . They're 09:49.400 --> 09:51.344 always , you know , they're always 09:51.344 --> 09:54.180 plugged in maybe . Um It gives the 09:54.180 --> 09:56.402 impression that things that the company 09:56.402 --> 09:58.569 are so chaotic that yeah , nobody in a 09:58.569 --> 10:00.736 leadership position can step away . So 10:00.736 --> 10:04.200 you really want to um model that that 10:04.200 --> 10:06.311 good behavior and work life balance . 10:06.311 --> 10:08.400 You know , it's just that line is so 10:08.400 --> 10:10.400 blurred now that we're working from 10:10.400 --> 10:12.740 home . So like maybe , you know , 10:12.750 --> 10:15.070 you're you're taking a vacation day but 10:15.070 --> 10:17.126 you're not actually going anywhere . 10:17.126 --> 10:19.181 You're just , you know , going to be 10:19.181 --> 10:21.459 around the house , do yourself a favor , 10:21.459 --> 10:23.514 unplug from your phone and your work 10:23.514 --> 10:25.681 and your email and take a break and be 10:25.681 --> 10:27.903 a good role model for your team so that 10:27.903 --> 10:27.230 they know that they have the 10:27.240 --> 10:29.351 flexibility and freedom to do that as 10:29.351 --> 10:31.407 well . That's awesome . Yeah . Again 10:31.407 --> 10:33.240 coming from the president of the 10:33.240 --> 10:33.030 company , right ? I mean we have 10:33.030 --> 10:36.210 leaders that when you look in their 10:36.210 --> 10:38.432 lights on in their office or their cars 10:38.432 --> 10:40.654 in the parking lot , you're like dang I 10:40.654 --> 10:42.821 gotta , I gotta stay right ? No , it's 10:42.821 --> 10:44.932 not how we should be modeling . Maybe 10:44.932 --> 10:47.043 it is the reason there's a reason for 10:47.043 --> 10:48.988 it for today or for a season for a 10:48.988 --> 10:51.154 project . But if we're not modeling it 10:51.154 --> 10:53.210 and we're not able to communicate it 10:53.210 --> 10:55.377 effectively back to some of the basics 10:55.377 --> 10:54.990 again , then we're leading our team of 10:54.990 --> 10:56.823 straight people . People wear it 10:56.823 --> 10:58.934 sometimes I think as a badge of honor 10:58.934 --> 11:01.157 where it's like , you know , I'm a hero 11:01.157 --> 11:03.530 here , I'm , you know , I'll do 11:03.530 --> 11:06.010 whatever it takes all the time . But 11:06.390 --> 11:08.501 you know , and there are , you know , 11:08.501 --> 11:10.723 there are those , those , those , those 11:10.723 --> 11:12.946 times where you're called to action and 11:12.946 --> 11:15.168 you need to do it step up , you need to 11:15.168 --> 11:15.150 work extra hours . But that's not a 11:15.150 --> 11:17.580 sustainable long term strategy for 11:17.580 --> 11:20.200 success . You'll burn out and um it'll 11:20.200 --> 11:22.089 be bad news . You might take some 11:22.089 --> 11:24.367 people down with you , you know ? Yeah , 11:24.367 --> 11:26.478 this has been great . I have a couple 11:26.478 --> 11:28.700 more questions for you . So if you're , 11:28.700 --> 11:28.180 if you're listening , there's been a 11:28.180 --> 11:30.360 lot dropped . If you , if you haven't 11:30.360 --> 11:32.582 picked up at least one thing that means 11:32.582 --> 11:34.693 you fell asleep in the 1st 45 seconds 11:34.693 --> 11:36.638 in the podcast because there's a , 11:36.638 --> 11:38.860 there's a whole ton of good information 11:38.860 --> 11:38.440 here and I hope , you know , you're , 11:38.440 --> 11:41.070 you're kind of evaluating where you are 11:41.070 --> 11:43.237 personally . But one thing I asked you 11:43.237 --> 11:45.181 to come with and you already , you 11:45.181 --> 11:47.014 already threw one out there is a 11:47.014 --> 11:49.740 resource and the seven habits Kobe book 11:49.740 --> 11:51.796 there , what other resources can you 11:51.796 --> 11:54.000 share that has helped you ? Software . 11:54.010 --> 11:56.410 Um , and just some of your team members . 11:58.530 --> 12:02.020 So one of 12:02.260 --> 12:06.130 the favorite favorite books that 12:06.140 --> 12:09.780 I actually introduced to the members of 12:09.780 --> 12:13.550 the executive team was a book by , I 12:13.550 --> 12:16.000 have the name written down Patrick 12:16.010 --> 12:18.121 leads , I don't know how to pronounce 12:18.121 --> 12:20.870 this listening Patrick Len coney five 12:20.870 --> 12:22.870 dysfunctions of a team , but if you 12:22.870 --> 12:25.037 google it , you know , you you will um 12:25.037 --> 12:27.510 it'll certainly turn up on on amazon . 12:27.520 --> 12:31.450 So we went through that book , we read 12:31.450 --> 12:33.506 it together , I like it , there's an 12:33.506 --> 12:35.728 assessment , a team assessment that you 12:35.728 --> 12:39.085 can take . So it's basically rating um 12:39.095 --> 12:42.795 uh yourself and the team 12:42.795 --> 12:45.285 on the various different dysfunctions . 12:45.285 --> 12:48.285 And then what I really like about it is 12:48.295 --> 12:51.295 that there's a guide towards the end of 12:51.295 --> 12:54.045 how to shore up any of the dysfunctions 12:54.045 --> 12:56.378 that you're really kind of falling into . 12:56.378 --> 12:58.810 So there's like , you know , we have 12:58.810 --> 13:00.866 the assessment , we know where we're 13:00.866 --> 13:02.977 strong , we know where we're weak and 13:02.977 --> 13:05.199 here's what you can do to shore up some 13:05.199 --> 13:08.420 of those areas . So um it's an easy 13:08.420 --> 13:11.490 read . Some of these , you know , 13:11.490 --> 13:13.490 business books can just drone on 13:13.490 --> 13:16.070 forever . But this is a short , simple 13:16.070 --> 13:18.310 one that would be a great exercise to 13:18.310 --> 13:20.310 go through if if you were part of a 13:20.310 --> 13:22.477 leadership team to understand and talk 13:22.477 --> 13:24.400 through um you know , with your 13:24.400 --> 13:27.790 partners . Um and you know , just real 13:27.790 --> 13:30.770 quick , you know , the dysfunctions are 13:30.780 --> 13:34.440 absence of trust , fear of conflict , 13:34.450 --> 13:37.000 lack of commitment , avoidance of 13:37.000 --> 13:40.060 accountability and inattention to 13:40.060 --> 13:42.360 results . So it's like this , this 13:42.360 --> 13:46.170 story almost like a fable of a new 13:46.170 --> 13:49.170 leader in a new role and meaning her 13:49.180 --> 13:52.490 executive team and how she was able to 13:52.500 --> 13:55.580 use these dysfunctions as a way to 13:55.580 --> 13:59.070 build trust among that , that team who 13:59.070 --> 14:01.126 is going to be leading , leading the 14:01.126 --> 14:03.126 company . So um , I think that that 14:03.126 --> 14:06.030 that's a really good one . Um , one 14:06.040 --> 14:09.540 of I guess my favorite 14:09.540 --> 14:12.940 leadership gurus is Jacko willing and 14:12.940 --> 14:15.890 so I was here , you know that jocko was 14:15.890 --> 14:18.910 here , he came in the fall when I was 14:18.910 --> 14:21.590 deployed . So I hear he has a new book 14:21.590 --> 14:25.190 out but I read extreme ownership and so 14:25.190 --> 14:28.530 that that might be of for for your 14:28.530 --> 14:30.530 listening here at the base . I mean 14:30.530 --> 14:34.400 it's great . He is a decorated 14:34.410 --> 14:37.400 military commander in the seals . He 14:37.410 --> 14:40.270 led many successful missions that he , 14:40.280 --> 14:43.190 I believe he's out of the military now . 14:43.190 --> 14:45.860 I think he , he started a leadership 14:45.860 --> 14:48.110 consulting firm and he goes out on the 14:48.110 --> 14:50.277 road and does trainings and podcasts . 14:50.277 --> 14:52.554 He's , he has a new book out , I don't , 14:52.554 --> 14:54.443 I haven't read that , but Extreme 14:54.443 --> 14:56.610 ownership is an awesome book to read . 14:56.610 --> 15:00.390 Um and one more , 15:00.400 --> 15:04.170 I hate the title of the book or I don't 15:04.170 --> 15:06.337 like the title of the book but because 15:06.337 --> 15:10.250 I think it's called goodness 15:10.260 --> 15:14.120 leadership and self deception , but 15:14.130 --> 15:17.720 it is also a quick read and I have read 15:17.720 --> 15:21.620 this book um at least five or 15:21.620 --> 15:23.730 six times and there's like seven or 15:23.730 --> 15:25.841 eight months that go by and I need to 15:25.841 --> 15:29.810 read it again . So it is kelly Ramage 15:29.810 --> 15:32.860 recommend that book recommended to me 15:32.870 --> 15:34.150 and um 15:36.690 --> 15:38.523 when I talked about , you know , 15:38.523 --> 15:40.890 keeping yourself in check . This book 15:40.890 --> 15:44.460 helps keep me in check . Um and just , 15:44.470 --> 15:46.760 you know , at a , at a high level the 15:46.760 --> 15:50.610 premise is that all throughout the day 15:50.620 --> 15:53.750 we have different thoughts um of things 15:53.750 --> 15:56.160 that we should do , you know ? Uh and 15:56.160 --> 15:58.327 and an example I think they use in the 15:58.327 --> 16:00.710 book is your your new parent , you hear 16:00.710 --> 16:02.599 your baby crying ? Well I'm a new 16:02.599 --> 16:05.930 parent a puppy , I hear my puppy crying 16:05.930 --> 16:08.152 in the crate and I'm like , I should go 16:08.152 --> 16:10.097 let him out . But I'm like , I bet 16:10.097 --> 16:12.041 Michael , you know , my husband he 16:12.041 --> 16:13.874 hears it too , so I'm just gonna 16:13.874 --> 16:16.490 pretend to hear it and he'll probably 16:16.490 --> 16:19.430 get up . So that whole , you know , 16:19.430 --> 16:21.541 those things are coming up all of the 16:21.541 --> 16:24.380 time and to be able to address that in 16:24.380 --> 16:28.140 a different way or at least be um 16:29.910 --> 16:33.120 more self aware that that you are doing 16:33.130 --> 16:36.650 those things and maybe how to um 16:37.020 --> 16:39.131 it really is just teaching you how to 16:39.131 --> 16:41.810 be a better person honestly . And that 16:41.810 --> 16:45.290 is also kind of a story , a 16:45.300 --> 16:48.280 fable type book where you know , you're , 16:48.290 --> 16:51.310 it's fictional , but there are real 16:51.310 --> 16:54.570 truths being delivered on every page 16:54.580 --> 16:57.150 about how to be a better team member , 16:57.150 --> 16:59.372 how to be a better leader , how to be a 16:59.372 --> 17:02.460 better person . Um and 17:02.470 --> 17:05.300 especially good if you're having 17:05.300 --> 17:08.360 conflict with a particular person in 17:08.370 --> 17:10.680 your work or personal life and just 17:10.680 --> 17:14.620 realizing that um you know , as 17:14.620 --> 17:16.564 you're deceiving yourself , you're 17:16.564 --> 17:18.453 putting yourself in a box and and 17:18.453 --> 17:20.620 you're carrying all this weight around 17:20.620 --> 17:24.220 with you , um to let it go and 17:24.220 --> 17:27.600 strategies on how to let it go . And 17:27.610 --> 17:30.250 that enables you to maybe build a 17:30.250 --> 17:32.220 bridge with a person that you've 17:32.220 --> 17:34.442 struggled to connect with or you know , 17:34.442 --> 17:36.276 that you're dealing dealing with 17:36.276 --> 17:39.820 tension . Um so yeah , those are , 17:39.820 --> 17:41.931 those are some , those are some of my 17:41.931 --> 17:43.931 favorite books , Oh and I want More 17:43.931 --> 17:46.600 Burn a Brown for she is a really 17:46.610 --> 17:49.770 prolific writer as well . So there's an 17:49.780 --> 17:52.470 awesome book that she has written 17:52.470 --> 17:54.850 called Dare to Lead . Um and so just 17:54.850 --> 17:58.290 from a female female perspective . Um 17:58.300 --> 18:01.360 she's one of my favorites and she , 18:01.360 --> 18:03.790 I've learned a lot from her . Um also I 18:03.790 --> 18:07.110 think um just that 18:07.110 --> 18:10.910 idea that leaders 18:10.910 --> 18:13.330 are not perfect were people just like 18:13.330 --> 18:17.330 anyone else and being vulnerable and 18:17.670 --> 18:20.120 taking care of ourselves so we can help 18:20.120 --> 18:22.120 others be the best that they can be 18:22.280 --> 18:24.350 tremendously important . So Five 18:24.350 --> 18:26.183 dysfunctions of a team , extreme 18:26.183 --> 18:28.970 ownership there to leave and leadership 18:28.970 --> 18:31.040 and self deception . Four books that 18:31.040 --> 18:33.096 you absolutely recommend . Oh yeah , 18:33.096 --> 18:35.262 and you had the Kobe book as well . So 18:35.262 --> 18:37.318 great . Great five books . I've read 18:37.318 --> 18:39.429 some of those , Not all of them , but 18:39.429 --> 18:41.207 just you explain them . There's 18:41.207 --> 18:40.900 different , they're all taken from 18:40.900 --> 18:42.511 different angles , different 18:42.511 --> 18:44.733 perspectives . So what a great starting 18:44.733 --> 18:46.733 point for someone who maybe is just 18:46.733 --> 18:49.350 interested in jumping in or a seasoned , 18:49.880 --> 18:52.120 you know , manager leader that they can 18:52.120 --> 18:54.231 grab one of those books and maybe you 18:54.231 --> 18:56.453 struck a chord with the way your little 18:56.453 --> 18:58.731 synopsis that you gave of each of them . 18:58.731 --> 19:00.620 So this has been great . Yeah , I 19:00.620 --> 19:02.787 really appreciate you coming in before 19:02.787 --> 19:04.842 we end though . Okay before we end I 19:04.842 --> 19:06.953 wanted to talk a little bit about how 19:06.953 --> 19:09.009 folks that are listening could learn 19:09.009 --> 19:12.020 more about software and look you're a 19:12.020 --> 19:14.230 remote company now , we have several 19:14.230 --> 19:16.230 part timers are listening to this . 19:16.230 --> 19:18.063 There's even full timers who are 19:18.063 --> 19:17.670 listening to this that might be like 19:18.030 --> 19:19.970 company intrigues me . There are 19:19.970 --> 19:22.303 spouses , there's D . O . D . Civilians , 19:22.303 --> 19:24.414 whoever is going to get their hands , 19:24.414 --> 19:26.526 their ears and their eyes potentially 19:26.526 --> 19:28.470 if you're watching a video and and 19:28.470 --> 19:30.303 engage with this podcast , maybe 19:30.303 --> 19:32.470 there's an opportunity for somebody is 19:32.470 --> 19:34.414 gonna connect with software and be 19:34.414 --> 19:34.330 hired one day . So tell us a little bit 19:34.330 --> 19:36.441 about where we can learn more about . 19:36.441 --> 19:40.210 Yeah , so we we have a website 19:40.220 --> 19:43.030 I guess you would expect that software 19:43.030 --> 19:46.830 dot com . Um Our product , our 19:46.830 --> 19:48.886 software is called donor perfect dot 19:48.886 --> 19:51.108 com . And so that is the main vehicle , 19:51.108 --> 19:53.163 like our main social media vehicle , 19:53.163 --> 19:55.860 donor Perfect dot com . Um so you can 19:55.860 --> 19:58.680 find us on , you know , twitter 19:59.000 --> 20:02.670 linkedin , facebook , Youtube , 20:02.680 --> 20:04.700 all of the different social media 20:04.700 --> 20:07.480 outlets . We've got positions . I mean 20:07.480 --> 20:09.813 we do everything pretty much , you know , 20:09.813 --> 20:12.490 from we've got positions for writers , 20:12.490 --> 20:14.980 communicate , communication experts , 20:14.990 --> 20:18.830 um customer service experts , trainers , 20:19.700 --> 20:23.590 coders , people who sell . I mean we 20:23.590 --> 20:26.730 we've got we do everything soup to nuts 20:26.730 --> 20:29.063 from , you know , marketing , designing , 20:29.063 --> 20:31.286 selling , supporting training , um this 20:31.286 --> 20:33.880 great software that's used by over 20:33.880 --> 20:37.200 10,000 nonprofit organizations . Um you 20:37.200 --> 20:39.422 know , household names like habitat for 20:39.422 --> 20:42.180 humanity . Humane society's doing great , 20:42.190 --> 20:45.120 great work . Um and we're helping them 20:45.120 --> 20:47.231 raise funds for their their mission . 20:47.231 --> 20:50.740 So there's um lots of different open 20:50.740 --> 20:52.962 positions at any given time . And we're 20:52.962 --> 20:56.220 always looking for to add to our family . 20:56.220 --> 20:59.360 So if you were to go on our website and 20:59.360 --> 21:01.527 look at our current listings and there 21:01.527 --> 21:03.693 was something that you were interested 21:03.693 --> 21:05.749 in , like you have some skills , you 21:05.749 --> 21:07.971 don't see a position posted . You could 21:07.971 --> 21:10.193 always just reach out to HR at software 21:10.193 --> 21:12.304 dot com . Uh send us your resume . Um 21:12.304 --> 21:14.360 let us know that this is how how you 21:14.360 --> 21:16.582 you heard about it on the podcast . And 21:16.582 --> 21:18.582 um I'd always be willing to talk to 21:18.582 --> 21:20.950 anyone who's interested uh in in 21:20.950 --> 21:23.117 joining the team because we might have 21:23.117 --> 21:25.450 an opening right now . But knowing that , 21:25.450 --> 21:27.561 you know , we're always building that 21:27.561 --> 21:29.506 bench and and having won a healthy 21:29.506 --> 21:33.270 pipeline of new people um uh to join to 21:33.270 --> 21:35.560 join the family . Great software dot 21:35.560 --> 21:38.080 com Software dot com . And I will tell 21:38.080 --> 21:41.330 you your perfect dot com . Yeah , I can 21:41.330 --> 21:43.580 speak firsthand about this , what you 21:43.590 --> 21:45.812 have witnessed here with Lauren today . 21:45.812 --> 21:48.990 Um That is truly what software is . It 21:49.000 --> 21:51.222 happened with me . I came as a customer 21:51.222 --> 21:53.278 support rep and was able to navigate 21:53.278 --> 21:55.930 and create a position there and what I 21:55.940 --> 21:58.162 mean , I've worked with some tremendous 21:58.162 --> 22:00.329 people and my skills that I've learned 22:00.329 --> 22:02.551 um have really , they were crystallized 22:02.551 --> 22:04.496 the software and a lot of what I'm 22:04.496 --> 22:06.329 doing as a military chaplain . I 22:06.329 --> 22:08.520 brought what software allowed me and 22:08.530 --> 22:10.586 the great people like yourself to be 22:10.586 --> 22:12.808 able to collaborate with and learn from 22:12.808 --> 22:15.030 to help other people and to be a leader 22:15.030 --> 22:17.197 that I believe that God's called me to 22:17.197 --> 22:20.330 be . So um man , have a special special 22:20.330 --> 22:22.163 place in my heart for sure . For 22:22.163 --> 22:24.052 software and for you , Lauren for 22:24.052 --> 22:26.052 coming in . I really appreciate you 22:26.052 --> 22:28.108 doing this today . Thanks man , it's 22:28.108 --> 22:30.219 been a pleasure and yeah , thanks for 22:30.219 --> 22:32.552 having me . It's always good to see you . 22:32.552 --> 22:34.552 Fantastic . Well , hey , listen the 22:34.552 --> 22:36.663 balance podcast right . So you we got 22:36.663 --> 22:36.610 to the end of this episode again , 22:36.620 --> 22:38.620 rewind this . You're gonna probably 22:38.620 --> 22:40.898 wanna take some more notes , but again , 22:40.898 --> 22:42.953 we're gonna continue to deliver some 22:42.953 --> 22:45.009 good content quality information for 22:45.009 --> 22:47.920 you so that you could be healthy not 22:47.920 --> 22:50.031 only in your personal life , but also 22:50.031 --> 22:51.920 at work . We don't want you to be 22:51.920 --> 22:54.087 successful in life in those four areas 22:54.087 --> 22:56.142 of mind , body spirit and social and 22:56.142 --> 22:58.142 tune in for the next episode here . 22:58.142 --> 23:00.476 This is more than likely . I'll give it , 23:00.476 --> 23:00.100 I'll even stop this right now . This is 23:00.100 --> 23:02.100 gonna probably a two parter . So if 23:02.100 --> 23:04.156 you're listening to this is probably 23:04.156 --> 23:04.130 the second part . This will be a two 23:04.130 --> 23:06.241 part podcast because there's a lot of 23:06.241 --> 23:08.408 good content will break this up . Um , 23:08.408 --> 23:10.630 but this is chaplain Tony repeat here , 23:10.630 --> 23:12.741 a bit of Air National Guard Base 1 11 23:12.741 --> 23:13.830 tackling and we are out .